tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post3568059363633060422..comments2023-06-29T02:07:49.894-09:00Comments on The Mustard Seed: The Game over Game ContinuesTMShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-22314537778844051222012-01-05T05:15:55.033-09:002012-01-05T05:15:55.033-09:00JENNIFER: I got the "you live in your own wor...JENNIFER: I got the "you live in your own world" and even the classic "you don't know women!" several times, lol.<br /><br />TW: Ha. Which translates to "you don't know yourself." That would be a good tagline for Game theory: "You don't know yourself." Actually, they would probably think that's deep and powerful, so never-mind :)TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-73721132863518668852012-01-04T11:01:02.716-09:002012-01-04T11:01:02.716-09:00Thank you :) I finally tired of it myself, after a...Thank you :) I finally tired of it myself, after all the contradictions and impossibility of keeping different definitions solid. And no one liked that; I got the "you live in your own world" and even the classic "you don't know women!" several times, lol.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-34069455069052386252012-01-04T06:35:41.734-09:002012-01-04T06:35:41.734-09:00Hi Jennifer. Thanks for the feedback. I agree wi...Hi Jennifer. Thanks for the feedback. I agree with your analysis of the game blogs. After awhile they grow pretty tiresome, so once you have a good understanding of what they're about - and what's inside the people behind them (and it sounds like you do) - I wouldn't waste a lot of time on them. They have an ideology - and a pretty lousy one at that - and they won't stray from that ideology by a single inch. They'll never say - when questioned on anything - "That's an interesting point" or "that may be a case when something other than Game might be the best strategy." They are clever but close-minded and thus, after awhile, dull and tiresome. The good news is "game" peaked a few years ago, and to whatever extent a critical mass of men followed "Game" they've probably left it by now due to the poor results it yielded and are ready to learn and follow something better. Thanks again for your comment. It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders. And not a lot of people can say that these days.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-86163262829222279602012-01-01T12:05:35.022-09:002012-01-01T12:05:35.022-09:00Todd: I have read many Game blogs. And what I'...Todd: I have read many Game blogs. And what I've learned is that they largely contradict each other, try to slam the label of game on natural masucline behavior, can't agree on whether it's natural or learned, ALL blur the lines of morality at one point, and are basically just what you said. In other words, you're right on everything.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-73071985901794362452009-09-03T05:55:38.143-09:002009-09-03T05:55:38.143-09:00Tal: "How do you define a good relationship?&...Tal: "How do you define a good relationship?"<br /><br />TW: I'm tempted to answer "that's up to the man and woman to decide." But that sounds like a cop-out, so I'll offer an explanation...For me, at least, I would say, it's a relationship in which 1) both partners are happy, 2) both partners are committed to each other, and 3) both partners have the freedom and desire to grow intellectually and spiritually. <br /><br />Tal: "What is your realistic view on women?"<br /><br />TW: As you and other Gamers have pointed out (correctly), the conventional SoCon viewpoint that women are morally superior to men, and that men are the source of all of society's problems is terribly misguided. I do not believe that women are better than men (or vice versa, for that matter). <br /><br />Tal: "Do you honestly believe that only 10-15% of women are 'good' [actually, I think wrote 5-10%]? What makes them good? I read through the post and the comments, and I don't have clarity on these issues."<br /><br />TW: That's a fair criticism. I *have* been unclear. And the reason for my lack of clarity is that I'm still in the process of working out my judgment on these issues. The 5-10% number is just a guess. It could be more; it might even be less. I would define a "good woman" as one who could meet the qualifications for a relationship that I stated above. She would need to have good character, a sound mind, a strong sense of loyalty, and a sensitivity to the needs of others (namely, her boyfriend/husband). Needless to say, most women have the character of a dog turd, the mind of a shower curtain ring, the loyalty of Benedict Arnold, and the sensitivity of a door slamming on your scrotum. Yes, I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect, but you get my point.<br /><br />Tal: "If 90% of men are decent productive providers (I will avoid the term Beta) isn't that going to be a problem having six good men fighting over every one good woman?"<br /><br />TW: Nope, because the number of "good men" is nowhere near 90%. It's probably closer to the 5-10% range I used for women. However, we still do have a problem, though. As I've mentioned in a few of my essays (and I think you agree with me), there is a "quality gap" between the sexes that didn't exist in previous generations. I'm not in a position to psychoanalyze people, but needless to say, it's common for most women to aspire to marry a man who is "better than them" (by the standards of society), while men prefer equality, or even a woman who is "worse" than them (very few would want a woman who was "better" than them). The problem is: Unlike all of history, today we are in a position of true economic equality between the sexes (and in many fields, women are superior to men). In the meantime, the cultural expectations of men and women have not adjusted accordingly. So yes, this is a problem. But it's not as bad as "6 good men fighting over 1 good women," as you suggest.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-15371921254005399392009-09-02T16:19:18.594-09:002009-09-02T16:19:18.594-09:00How do you define a good relationship?
What is yo...How do you define a good relationship?<br /><br />What is your realistic view on women?<br /><br />Do you honestly believe that only10-15% of women are "good"? What makes them good? I read through the post and the comments, and I don't have clarity on these issues.<br /><br />If 90% of men are decent productive providers (I will avoid the term Beta) isn't that going to be a problem having six good men fighting over every one good woman?Talleyrandhttp://seasonsoftumultanddiscord.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-13351700161565614372009-09-01T18:50:20.901-09:002009-09-01T18:50:20.901-09:00Hmmm, that's genuinely interesting. Thanks, A...Hmmm, that's genuinely interesting. Thanks, Alkibiades.<br /><br />I'm not sure to what extent you think this information invalidates my viewpoint, but if you do, let me read again from the Amazon review of Strauss' book.<br /><br />“After two years, Strauss ends up becoming almost as successful as Mystery, but he comes to an important realization. His techniques were actually off-putting to the woman he ended up falling in love with. And they never prepared him for actually having a relationship. After a while, he ran out of one-liners and had to have a real conversation.”<br /><br />Interestingly, while it says that Strauss realizes on an intellectual level that Game wouldn't work for marriage, he apparently never bothers to LEARN how to CREATE a happy marriage. To put it another way: There is no "Game program" for the vast majority of men who want to get married and have a family (and not just date hot chicks).<br /><br />If you look at it that way, we shouldn't be shocked that Strauss ended up getting divorced and is now advertising himself as a PUA guru (PUA gurus make a lot more money than fact-checkers, I presume).<br /><br />Back to you, Sir...TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-56740628920842435832009-09-01T18:35:26.058-09:002009-09-01T18:35:26.058-09:00Lisa Leveridge dumped him for another guy a few mo...Lisa Leveridge dumped him for another guy a few months after his book was published. Strauss went back into the pick up community and has a pick up webpage.<br /><br />The end of Neil Strauss' book always seemed a bit incongruent to me. As if he'd thrown it in there to make himself look better to people outside the community. Just my opinion.Alkibiadeshttp://seasonsoftumultanddiscord.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-41370802129947086812009-09-01T18:16:47.041-09:002009-09-01T18:16:47.041-09:00Is this a trick question ;)
Honestly, I have no i...Is this a trick question ;)<br /><br />Honestly, I have no idea.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-59433906169879016532009-09-01T12:09:17.828-09:002009-09-01T12:09:17.828-09:00I'm curious Todd. You mention Style who falls...I'm curious Todd. You mention Style who falls in love and leaves the game. Have you followed up on where he is now? Do you know the end result of the relationship he was in at the end of his book?Alkibiadeshttp://seasonsoftumultanddiscord.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-70711666783725097482009-08-28T05:52:50.416-09:002009-08-28T05:52:50.416-09:00You Know Who: You said, Game "is just a power...You Know Who: You said, Game "is just a power struggle where the man's purpose is to dominate and manipulate the woman using any means necessary." I can't remember who wrote it - regrettably, I forgot to post it - but someone (it might have been Auster) observed: Game trains a man to see all of his social interactions - not just his interactions with wommen - as one of dominance or submission, and thus, he must always work to become the dominant one. And to that, he mused (and I'm paraphrasing): "Isn't it morally degrading (not to mention emotionally taxing) to see every interaction with a human being over the course of a day as one in which you must establish your dominance over them before they establish their dominance over you?" It's sado-masochism as a life philosophy.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-12466248449354754662009-08-27T08:39:09.525-09:002009-08-27T08:39:09.525-09:00Anonymous:
Roissy has written many times about how...<b>Anonymous:</b><br /><b>Roissy has written many times about how Game can strengthen marriages, something you conventiently ignore because it does not fit your strawmen.</b><br /><br />Game is only necessary when you're married to someone who demands it (in other words, get ready to dump your personality and become Cocky/Arrogant PUA Clone #52341). So choose someone who doesn't need to be gamed.<br /><br />roissy's vision of game applied to marriage/long term relationships is a nightmare. It's just a power struggle where the man's purpose is to dominate and manipulate the woman using any means necessary. And for what? For an ego trip. So you can feel like a "man" for being in control of a woman. The complete lack of sincerity, honesty, affection and love is enough to make you puke.you know whonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-48272409032186740822009-08-26T07:44:39.869-09:002009-08-26T07:44:39.869-09:00Etsijä: I chuckled at your backhanded compliment, ...Etsijä: I chuckled at your backhanded compliment, “You have formed a coherent set of rationalizations around those core beliefs.” Dude, I don’t have rationalizations (nor do I have “projections”); I have opinions based on what I’ve learned and experienced in life. So let’s quit the psychoanalysis, shall we? <br /><br />I feel like I’ve been neutral throughout this conservation. I don’t put women on a pedestal. I’m a realist. I have no illusions about women, just like I have no illusions about men. The quality of women has declined in the last half-century, to be sure, but it hasn’t declined to a level in which we – as men – should feel the need to morally degrade ourselves to get our rocks off every now and then. There’s enough good women out there to maintain our integrity and exercise patience. See the comments of “Hope” (a woman) to my latest blog entry, “Game Wrap-Up 8/26/09.”TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-820281012163269282009-08-26T06:57:24.970-09:002009-08-26T06:57:24.970-09:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jaska Jaskanpoikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07178526474371142390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-86277411147787256082009-08-26T05:48:18.438-09:002009-08-26T05:48:18.438-09:00Anonymous: Your whining that I don't understa...Anonymous: Your whining that I don't understand Game is getting old. Either debate me on the merits of Game or keep quiet.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-68895929842199804992009-08-26T05:47:00.667-09:002009-08-26T05:47:00.667-09:00Thanks for your comment, Etsija. I appreciate you...Thanks for your comment, Etsija. I appreciate you sharing your experiences and insights with me. I think you misunderstand me, however. I feel confident stating that my position on women and relationships is more intellectually coherent than just regurgitating what my mother told me when I was growing up. So I’ll refrain from taking your advice to “kill the mother inside me” (at least for now). As to your comments about the percentage of women who are “good women”…I never claimed the number was based in scientific research (how would one quantify “good women?”)…it was a guess…a guess I feel comfortable with…if you think only “0.00166 of women are sufficiently advanced to really appreciate good men” then we’re all doomed and we might as well head to the mountains now…obviously, I don’t share your pessimism…Also, I don’t think Roissy is accurately describing ALL women…some women?...of course…but his real insights toward women – which are quite few – won’t help us in attracting that good 5-10%. If you haven’t already done so, check out my latest essays on this topic.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-32133145248845312612009-08-25T21:17:32.672-09:002009-08-25T21:17:32.672-09:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jaska Jaskanpoikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07178526474371142390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-3175070356765134632009-08-25T21:13:30.628-09:002009-08-25T21:13:30.628-09:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jaska Jaskanpoikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07178526474371142390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-3950296542849118762009-08-25T18:40:33.769-09:002009-08-25T18:40:33.769-09:00Todd,
You really have no idea what Game is. You ...Todd,<br /><br />You really have no idea what Game is. You create strawmen upon strawmen until you find something you can condemn.<br /><br />You are grossly uninformed. Plus, you are not qualified to discuss female psychology, as you know nothing about it. It is laughable to claim that you do. <br /><br />Roissy has written many times about how Game can strengthen marriages, something you conventiently ignore because it does not fit your strawmen. Losers like Markus do the same. <br /><br />Be a man (and an intellectual) and admit that Roissy has written about how Game can increase happiness within monogamous marriages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-84092931670679552292009-08-25T05:00:42.832-09:002009-08-25T05:00:42.832-09:00Rum: You wrote, "There is no salvaging the no...Rum: You wrote, "There is no salvaging the notion that hot sex is out of alignment with righteous male-female bonding. It is beyond wrong." When did I deny that sex was important for the success of a romantic relationship? Y'all are making false assumptions about me. I encourage you to let my words speak for themselves.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-10048730466445326612009-08-25T04:57:11.133-09:002009-08-25T04:57:11.133-09:00Anonymous: I understand the difference. Trust me....Anonymous: I understand the difference. Trust me.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-80275758272118914612009-08-24T19:38:48.769-09:002009-08-24T19:38:48.769-09:00Point taken. Actual word choices deserve accurate ...Point taken. Actual word choices deserve accurate quotes. On the other hand, there is no salvaging the notion that hot sex is out of alignment with righteous male-female bonding. It is beyond wrong. It is so wrong it is truly evil because it would wreck the souls of any who heeded it.Rumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-27194905705827912602009-08-24T19:35:34.806-09:002009-08-24T19:35:34.806-09:00"You're very quick to attack me but you d..."You're very quick to attack me but you don't address my earlier post in which I tried to distinguish between different philosophies of "Game.""<br /><br />Apparently you didn't try hard enough to distinguish them to the point that you could make a distinction between the man trying become capable of a long-term relationship and the man who was trying to screw as many females as possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-48434845536836975602009-08-24T19:15:59.681-09:002009-08-24T19:15:59.681-09:00Rum: You misquoted me - whether on purpose or by a...Rum: You misquoted me - whether on purpose or by accident, I don't know. I wrote, "I don't see how a program whose purpose is to 'make hot sex happen' can lead to a loving, happy relationship." You left out word "purpose," which is critical.TMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654673878708922180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560774651993745496.post-6284590994742789712009-08-24T18:55:38.225-09:002009-08-24T18:55:38.225-09:00Todd said, "I don't see how a program to ...Todd said, "I don't see how a program to make hot sex happen could lead to a happy, loving relationship."<br />And you are Austers version of a debate-ending anti-game. Bullshit.<br />You and Auster have committed the sin of hubris. You don't know what you don't know but still you try to intimidate your counterparts with pious sounding bluffs...<br />Your little quote cannot be improved upon as a declaration of terminal cluelessness about heterosexual relations. I feel it is my duty to future generations to give your quote as wide a distribution as possible to alert guys as to just how bad the advice the Semi-Christian SoComs give about women.<br />You are going to be famous, dude.Rumnoreply@blogger.com